Suh or McCoy, Your Choice, Who is it? Options

[TimT]

look at game film

Interesting you mention that.

Read the dribble I put together in my thread : Scouting Report / OT / draft thoughts.

To spare yourself too much pain, skip to the word "projection".

[ballhawk50]

tim t....

Although I wouldnt be disapointed if we get Gerald mcCoy......

ask yourself the same projections you mention towards Suh he can also get stronger he could be toaght more NFL moves and with proper coaching his ceiling has to be greater than that of MCcoys...

yes your right you can not teach speed but the idea of getting a DT like a corey redding and bulking him up is also risky when your team isnt that strong yet ..... remember coreys problem wasnt getting to the quarterback it was on the run,,,

Suh right now can hold his own in any NFL team because of pure power he will do what the DT in our system are required to do and thats primarily I repeat primarily stop the run and Suh has proved he could do that..

Last year the only reason Mccoy was graded out higher was because he was in a better team but SUH had better stats..

heck Suh was the nebraska defense....

[TimT]

Actually, Corey's strength was playing the run. It was getting to the QB that he couldn't do.

Suh may very well have the highest ceiling in the draft. He's just a bit more of a gamble considering his style of play will have to change on day one.

[WindycityLionsfa...]

yes your right you can not teach speed but the idea of getting a DT like a corey redding and bulking him up is also risky when your team isnt that strong yet ..... remember coreys problem wasnt getting to the quarterback it was on the run,,,

Actually Cory Redding was one of the best DT's against the run in the NFL for the three years he played DT for the Lions, numbers don't lie my friend. So your McCoy Redding comparison doesn't really work. Yes they body type is similar but their play is very different.

[ballhawk50]

redding was ok for one year because his contract year,,,, but how many times did we see runners run all over us , even scouts labeled him better suited as a DE than a DT his last year with the team he was horrible because he was too small.....

now even though both SUH and Mccoy are projected better fits for th three technique I tend to feel that we dont require a guy that only fits in a tampa 2 type defense..... if we are ever in a third and short or a simple goal line stance Suh would do us better because he is an anchor and guys like redding and Mccoy when they are asked to get bigger it limits there speed..

even on the youtube videos Mccoy has trouble moving the pocket from the middle...

our defense is designed to funnel the running backs to the middle where strength is more of a nessecity than speed.

now lets say we land a brandon grahom or a smaller DE the combination of Mccoy and Grahom would be small and we would be suspect to the run....

we already have a guy in sammie hill that takes on many doubles if we add Suh we may be great against the run.....

[Honolulublue]

Suh came out of nowhere this year while McCoy was though of as a high pick last year. I think each player has weaknesses. I want whatever one doesn't bust. Suh probably fits our DL more than McCoy.

That said I really want Suh.

This post has been edited by Honolulublue: Feb 28 2010, 06:25 PM

[ballhawk50]

Add ten to fifteen pounds of muscle on each and both SUH and Mccoy would look better its almost scary to think how strong SUH would look man he would be emovable he already went through his whole college carreer facing double teams and still had many sacks and tackle like you said numbers dont lie and SUH's numbers are overwhelmingly better than McCoy....

now for the sake of the draft and potential McCoy has tremendouse upside he has an amazing first step and is very athletic and is worthy of being a top pick but to feel that his athletazism is the only reason he may have a better upside than SUH is Ridiculouse its like saying.

McCoy could possibly get to the QB easier than Suh but doesnt , whileeel Suh gets to the QB but in the NFL he wont.. sounds crazy right


I just hope that if we are selecting one of these players our coaching staff actually see film on these guys instead of writing them off because they feel it wont transition to the pros...

[TimT]

I just hope that if we are selecting one of these players our coaching staff actually see film on these guys instead of writing them off because they feel it wont transition to the pros...

You can bet there is dozens of hours of tape being reviewed for hundreds of hours.

[WindycityLionsfa...]

redding was ok for one year because his contract year,,,, but how many times did we see runners run all over us , even scouts labeled him better suited as a DE than a DT his last year with the team he was horrible because he was too small.....

Numbers don't lie, he was a top 5 DT against the run for three years.

[WindycityLionsfa...]

Suh probably fits our DL more than McCoy.

Actually its the exact opposite. McCoy did in college exactly what he would be doing for the Lions. Suh played in a very different scheme at Nebraska.

[WindycityLionsfa...]

Add ten to fifteen pounds of muscle on each and both SUH and Mccoy would look better its almost scary to think how strong SUH would look man he would be emovable he already went through his whole college carreer facing double teams and still had many sacks and tackle like you said numbers dont lie and SUH's numbers are overwhelmingly better than McCoy....

Neither one will gain much weight in the NFL. They might get stronger but they won't gain more then 5lbs.

[TimT]

Bench press results have Suh at 32 and McCoy at 26.

[LionAround]

I want Suh myself. It looks like to me that the talking heads that have McCoy rated higher are looking at potential as a great rusher , rather than production in college.

Look at the numbers.

Suh- 82 TT, 47 solo , 35 asst, 12 sacks in 2009, 76 TT, 39 solo, 37 asst Tackles, 7 sacks in 2008

McCoy - 34 TT, 25 solo, 9 assisted tackles, 6 sacks in 2009 , 30 TT, 14 solo , 16 ast, 6 1/2 sacks in 2008

Sounds like the talking heads are looking at quicker first step and other things that lead them to think he has more potential as a pass rusher. However the production shows that in college Suh was far better in all the stats. So why didn't McCoy's "superior" pass rushing skills translate to more sacks in college, and why should we think that he will translate into a better pass rusher than Suh in the pros when Suh was clearly the better pass rusher in college?

This post has been edited by LionAround: Mar 3 2010, 03:46 PM

[Calamnet]

You can't teach speed. (ala Warren Sapp)

McCoy can get stronger. (ala Warren Sapp - who only benched 17 times at the combine)

I'll be ecstatic if we pick either.

[Lions2SB2]

I was reading this magazine earlier today and it said that McCoy is faster then Suh, but the stats are hurting McCoy. Even though the stats go to Suh, McCoy is the better pick.

[huskerlion]

Suh came out of nowhere this year while McCoy was though of as a high pick last year. I think each player has weaknesses. I want whatever one doesn't bust. Suh probably fits our DL more than McCoy.

That said I really want Suh.

Actually Suh had his draft evaluation done last year and he was projected as a mid to late first rounder. I would hardly say he came out of nowhere he just progressed with his overall game the past year.

This post has been edited by huskerlion: Mar 8 2010, 10:19 PM